and the free PDF of Joel Chace's THRENODIES if offers... https://the-otolith.blogspot.com/2020/07/jonathan-minton.html?fbclid=IwAR1i_1W4hXmerAmxeDojuoDI3TzZeJIB5LYLQ-rsU12lhx-RyqR5PsUTes0
Thank you, Maggie - "Threnodies" along with Silliman's "The Alphabet" help me wrap my head around what you're after in your own poems....Tom